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Amy Letter's avatar

It’s incredibly difficult to dispassionately study this question because not everyone is ready, like Dennett, to accept that consciousness is an illusion. But I suspect that a good amount of our fear of AIs — expressed in fiction but also in real life — and our desire to prove that AIs are conscious — again, both in fiction and in real life — is based in our creeping knowledge that we CANNOT distinguish ourselves reasonably from machines which seem to think, and that does not so much elevate them as “degrade” the maybe-facade of specialness we have built around ourselves.

In short, it is popular to believe that people have souls and machines do not. If machine behavior is indistinguishable from (or superior to, in the aspects we prize and celebrate as signs of the “soul,” like creativity) human behavior, we are left understanding ourselves as meat-machines, and while some people are fine with that conclusion, I dare say the majority of humankind is not.

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Two thoughts:

1. If scientists somehow produced good evidence tomorrow that babies aren’t conscious until 3 months of age, I would still believe children from newborn - 3mo were people and should not be killed. Personhood definitely seems to be related to, but not 1:1 with consciousness. I think I agree that having a better understanding of consciousness would help, sharpen our thinking and such, but cannot be relied upon to provide the final answer.

2. The bureaucratization of science and its failures that you mention are also, in my mind, a clear failure of our billionaire class and our elites in general. I started reading a book about funding “risky” (novel) scientific research by Donald Braben[1] a long time ago and the general principle didn’t seem that hard, nor were the monetary requirements particularly great. The hard part seemed to be sifting through applicants to find the ones that did have a truly novel idea and weren’t just cranks. I’ll have to revisit it.

[1] Scientific Freedom: The Elixir of Civilization. https://books.google.com/books/about/Scientific_Freedom.html?id=3r9pEW8ZpUsC

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