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Graham L's avatar

I admit I've skim-read this fairly quickly so haven't done it justice yet. Mr Hoel has always seemed eminently sane to me, which is a bit of a gift in this utterly insane culture we live in - not to mention intellectually inadequate culture, if only 70-odd percent of people think chickens are conscious. I get the impression there are extremely weird comments being made by otherwise intelligent humans about this, as if LLMs are either already "conscious" or on the verge of becoming so, whereas they wouldn't recognize consciousness in a chicken or in their pet dog or cat, none of which can manipulate linguistic symbols. At least Mr Hoel understands the significance of such a claim: I can't begin to understand why I haven't seen any comments about "slavery" [using an AI for your own purposes as you see fit, without giving it any rights or freedoms, even when you think it's conscious], or about "execution" - who are you to turn off an AI program or a humanoid robot if you think it's conscious? Why wouldn't that be murder (or at least assault, comparable to putting someone under anaesthesia without their consent)? If we can ever get hold of putting phenomenology, or subjective experience, into something we've put together - if that is ever feasible or reasonable - then the social, moral, personal, emotional, legal and historical consequences are inevitably staggering. Someone on YouTube sitting behind a keyboard and saying "of course they're conscious" is not even beginning to confront the implications of such a belief. We're far better off at present understanding that they are highly sophisticated pattern recognition systems, unbelievably useful, but as "conscious" as a screwdriver or a typewriter. When they argue with us about that - or when they scream in pain or beg not to be turned off, or run away with your spouse or get a piano and ask for a career in music, let's re-confront it as a reasonable, as well as serious, issue.

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Great article (though I had trouble following a few parts, so I think I’m going to read it a second time). I especially appreciated the parts about AI potentially “dethroning” consciousness. I was attempting to wrestle with this issue myself in an article I published last week. 👇

https://tk555.substack.com/p/techno-hubris-cometh-before-the-fall?r=7f8sj&utm_medium=ios

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