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Laura Creighton's avatar

There is a profound difference between a dignity/guilt culture and a reputation/shame culture.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt%E2%80%93shame%E2%80%93fear_spectrum_of_cultures:

One of the problems we got with the internet was 'liking' and 'reputation scores' -- which may be good for figuring out who to trust to buy from on EBay, but appears to have caused our consciences to atrophy. It's never been easier to find out what the neighbours think, while grappling with our own deepest moral feelings remains as hard as ever.

In all cultures there is always a possible tension between 'what my conscience says I should do' and 'what the neighbours think'. But in guilt/dignity cultures the usual resolution is that you should 'do what is right' and resist the social pressure to do what is wrong. Or you should learn the error of your ways, and do what is right because now you agree with your neighbours. Satire thrives where there is a profound tension, and works directly on the consciences of the audience. Everything from 'gentle, chiding, mocking' to the biting thrust that wounds you to the core before you know it -- serve to awaken the conscience to the notion that something isn't right with one's behaviour. On the other side, various satirical takes on respectability and hypocrisy can serve to give the neighbours notice that the social pressure they are applying is in itself wrong, and an affront to human dignity.

Shame/Face societies don't have a lot of satire. See: Understanding Humour in Japan. https://wsupress.wayne.edu/9780814331651/ Historically, the resolution between one's conscience and what the neighbours think has always been that you must do according to what the neighbours think. In Japan this could go to the length where a Samurai, ordered to commit suicide, might do so leaving a death poem as a last reflection on how wrong this outcome was.

There's nothing gentle or funny here. Indeed you end up with cutural norms set up to keep people from having to suffer from criticism that would cause them to 'lose face'. Satire then becomes something that is always very, very, biting and dangerous.

So Japanese people who wish to be witty and clever pick something other than satire to do. There is a enormous amount of humour dedicated to how people 'give face' and 'preserve face' and the like, and most of it falls flat to western audiences because they don't have a face to maintain. By the standards of a Face culture -- they are shameless.

When you look at all this talk about how the mental health of today's youth is suffering, I think a certain amount of it is because social media gives them a huge dose of shame culture before their consciences are well enough developed to resist the pressure and insist on their right to their own consciences and dignity. But how would one design an experiment to measure that?

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C.W. Howell's avatar

This is a clever angle. It makes me think of how the Onion really struggled to adapt to the post-2016 moment, especially when (in hindsight) their "Shrieking White-Hot Sphere Of Pure Rage" video from 2012 proved so disturbingly prophetic.

It's affected cultural criticism across the board. I've long been a fan of the cyberpunk genre, but stories like Neuromancer or even Snow Crash (which was such a ridiculous satire that the main character was named Hiro Protagonist) seemingly weren't pessimistic enough about how, well, dumb everything would get.

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